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Traveller-digest    Wednesday, December 22 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1551<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Re: England<BR>
Re: Rugby<BR>
RE: Racial deptictions<BR>
Re: 3I Sports<BR>
Re: Terran polities<BR>
Re: 3I Sports<BR>
Rivals of the Third Imperium Webring<BR>
Re: In Jokes<BR>
Re: 3I Sports<BR>
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)<BR>
Re: Evil Referees<BR>
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various) now race war flame<BR>
Re: In Jokes<BR>
Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various) now race war flame<BR>
RE: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
Re: Re USMC<BR>
Re: technology advances<BR>
Re: ..and it comes with a fresher!  (OT)<BR>
Re: Racial depictions<BR>
Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:53:40 +0000<BR>
From: SD Mooney <dom@cybergoths.u-net.com><BR>
Subject: Re: England<BR>
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At 5:29 -0500 22/12/99, shudson@lightspeed.bc.ca (Steven Hudson) wrote:<BR>
>  And the King being "removed by Parliament" was screamingly illegal, as<BR>
>the entirety of English political discourse in the century had concluded.<BR>
>Not that Charles the First had complained past a certain point :><BR>
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*I* heard he lost his head about it. :-)<BR>
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Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 00:07:05 EST<BR>
From: "Andrew Long" <andrewlong@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Rugby<BR>
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>Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 00:36:36 -0600<BR>
>From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
>Subject: Re: Football( was Re: [OT] War of 1812)<BR>
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<Snip><BR>
>Also, we use astro turf, a satanic invention if I every heard of it. Hell, <BR>
>even the highschools here play on it. That stuff tears up bodies quickly.<BR>
>Isn't Rugby played on real grass?<BR>
><BR>
yes. For preference. Where available.<BR>
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Until recently (and still, in some places), Rugby in the Arabian Gulf was <BR>
played on sand. which had been soaked with oil and then rolled to keep it <BR>
relatively intact (Grass and the water to keep it irrigated can be <BR>
expensive). THAT'll tear you up a bit if you fall over. Fortunately, most of <BR>
the teams that Abu Dhabi (my old club) play have managed to aquire grass <BR>
pitches now (although Dubai only just managed to get their third pitch <BR>
grassed in time for the annual VII's tournament)<BR>
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regards, Andy Long<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:07:09 -0000<BR>
From: "Trevor, Peter" <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Racial deptictions<BR>
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Charles Collin WROTE:<BR>
> BTW, I only skimmed the thread on Zhodani and Vilani races, but<BR>
> it occurs to me that just about every pic I've seen of either of<BR>
> these groups portrays a white person.  Did they have suns with<BR>
> lower UV or something?  Or do we just have to accept that it's a<BR>
> marketing/artist's bias kinda thing?  Actually, the latter seems<BR>
> like the necessary explanation, as most Solomani are portrayed<BR>
> as white also...<BR>
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My copy of Rebellion Sourcebook (MT) has a brown-skinned  man  on<BR>
the cover.  Also, p2 of Vilani & Vargr reads ...<BR>
<BR>
    Appearence:  Because our race originally developed  under<BR>
    a hot star that stimulates melanin  production  with  its<BR>
    ultraviolet radiation output, Vilani skin averages  light<BR>
    brown, with skin tones sometimes reaching dark  brown  or<BR>
    black.  Hair color ranges from dark brown to black.  Pure<BR>
    Vilani have eye colors ranging from gray to gold.<BR>
<BR>
    Vilani tend to have fine facial features, which  includes<BR>
    thin lips  and  narrow,  graceful  noses.  The  occipital<BR>
    ridges above the eyes tend  to  be  elongated,  sometimes<BR>
    imparting  a  sunken-eyed   appearence.   Many   consider<BR>
    purebred Vilani women to be quite beautiful, even exotic.<BR>
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Solomani & Aslan describes Solomani as being in a wide  range  of<BR>
colours from black to brown to white, and even red and yellow.<BR>
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The CT Alien module for Zhodani only describes them as "swarthy".<BR>
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So the cultural bias (if any) in the bulk of  Trav  illustrations<BR>
does not come from the writers but the illustrators.<BR>
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Regards PLST<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 13:42:05 GMT<BR>
From: "Jonathan Lupton" <jonathanlupton@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
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Eris Wrote:<BR>
> > Ob Traveller...IMTU gravball is more akin to handball<BR>
> > than anything else,<BR>
> > ie non-contact.  I think most folks run it a little<BR>
> > differently. What other games are popular in<BR>
> > YTU's?Eris<BR>
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I use Gravball as the standard sport throughout the Imperium. For details of <BR>
the game try the Missouri Archive at:<BR>
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http://www.mu.org/~joe/traveller/archive/General/GravBall/<BR>
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It has rules and examples of play. IMTU each (participating) planet has it's <BR>
own league and the winners meet in a subsector final once a year. This <BR>
avoids the travelling problems of playing away games in other systems.<BR>
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One of my players once played a retired grav ball player. Basically an <BR>
entertainer with Zero-G and athletic skills added.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:43:44 EST<BR>
From: JFZeigler@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Terran polities<BR>
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In a message dated 12/22/99 6:29:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, rancke@diku.dk <BR>
writes:<BR>
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> After 1109 Terra's newly-established government includes a delegation from<BR>
>  the District of Nepal. I don't claim that it is conclusive, but I think <BR>
that<BR>
>  is pretty damn good evidence that the old nation-states of the 21st Century<BR>
>  still survive, in a somewhat different form, in 1120.<BR>
<BR>
True -- I'd forgotten that detail.  And Nepal is one of the out-ot-the-way<BR>
places with strong ethnic identity that *might* survive a long time.  I <BR>
suspect<BR>
the bigger nation-states are the ones most likely to change radically over<BR>
time.<BR>
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>  BTW. I don't have _Invasion:Earth_. Is there no evidence that bears on this<BR>
>  question to be gleaned there?<BR>
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Unfortunately, no.  No political boundaries of any kind drawn on the map,<BR>
and only the three starports are labeled.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:05:47 +0000<BR>
From: "Carlos Alos-Ferrer" <carlos.alos-ferrer@univie.ac.at><BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
<BR>
> Eris Wrote:<BR>
> > > Ob Traveller...IMTU gravball is more akin to handball<BR>
> > > than anything else, ie non-contact.  I think most folks run it a little<BR>
> > > differently. What other games are popular in YTU's?Eris<BR>
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Jonathan Lupton wrote:<BR>
> One of my players once played a retired grav ball player. Basically an <BR>
> entertainer with Zero-G and athletic skills added.<BR>
<BR>
There was an old Dragon article with a couple of more violent <BR>
Gravball variants, and Athlete Character Generation rules.<BR>
Carlos<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 09:16:13 -0500<BR>
From: Mark Urbin <eclipse@ultranet.com><BR>
Subject: Rivals of the Third Imperium Webring<BR>
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You can get a list of the sites with this URL<BR>
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http://www.webring.org/cgi-bin/webring?ring=travellerrivals;index<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:45:39 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: In Jokes<BR>
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In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> And the infamous (locally) "I Assault Him!"<BR>
> It seems a player had fallen asleep during the game. His character, who was<BR>
> a psionicist, was the ship's grunt, a Vargr, and had just encountered a<BR>
> teleport marine in engineering... after having started into the crawlways<BR>
> himself. Rules in force TNE except for psionics, which were MT rules, but<BR>
> with TNE Skill checks.<BR>
><BR>
> GM (Me): Hey Sid! You're facing a Zho Marine, in Combat Armor.<BR>
> Sid: (grogily) Hunh? I psionic Assault Him.... (restart snoring)<BR>
> GM: Sid!, Snap out of it...<BR>
> Sid: Hunh? oh yeah... well, does it work?<BR>
> GM: Uh, Sid, you're out of points.<BR>
> Sid: I shoot him. (eyes roll shut again)<BR>
> GM: You don't have your gun pointing the right way.<BR>
> Sid: Oh... uh... I Kick Him! (Note: both were in combat armour, otherwise<BR>
> this would have hurt) Critical Success!<BR>
> GM: Ok, Ow... He's still up. Eat one FGMP blast.<BR>
> Sid: Not a problem, you say it hit the tail?<BR>
> GM: Yeah.<BR>
> Sid: Fine, I have initiative 6, I kick him AGAIN.<BR>
> (several exchanges later, Sid's Vargr kicks the marine to death, while<BR>
> never even losing consciousness, after eating several FGMP 14 shots at<BR>
> point blank, fragments included. We swittched to MT shortly thereafter..<BR>
> like two weeks.)<BR>
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Not to second guess you or anything, but let me get this straight. Two<BR>
characters in *BD* encountered each other in an *engineering access<BR>
crawlspace*? And one of them fired an FGMP *several* times?<BR>
<BR>
<sigh><BR>
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The ship's safety systems should have sealed the crawl and either<BR>
filled it full of fire-fighting foam or vented it to space as soon as<BR>
the first shot was fired. Either way, the results of the first shot<BR>
sould have been much like standing next to a satchel charge. Eggects of<BR>
the *second* shot should have been comparable to being inside a *small*<BR>
bunker and setting off *several* satchel charges. <BR>
<BR>
In short, BD or no BD, the other characters should have had to clean<BR>
those two out of there with a sponge and a scraper.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:52:14 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: 3I Sports<BR>
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In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Ob Traveller...IMTU gravball is more akin to handball<BR>
> than anything else,<BR>
> ie non-contact.  I think most folks run it a little<BR>
> differently. What other games are popular in<BR>
> YTU's?Eris<BR>
><BR>
> IMTU, Gladiators! Where people get together in those<BR>
> power-loader suits (like in Aliens) and battle it out!<BR>
> Yes, manslaughter is decriminalised on the world where<BR>
> this happens... though they're not allowed to mount<BR>
> guns, blasters, any kind of projectile weapon... just<BR>
> swords, axes, clubs, industrial power saws... Brutal,<BR>
> but popular!<BR>
<BR>
Here are a couple of suggestions:<BR>
<BR>
1. Rollerball. Yes, like in the movie...<BR>
<BR>
2. Nullboxing. This is from Steve Barnes' "Streetlethal" and succeding<BR>
   books. It's a martial art developed for use in zero g. Being a<BR>
   martial arts instructor *and* an SF writer, Barnes did a good job in<BR>
   determining what would be needed. <BR>
<BR>
Basicly, the two fighter enter opposite sides of a plastic sphere and<BR>
fight there. Because of the way blows tend to bounce the person making<BR>
them almost as bad as the one receiving them, nullboxers throw blows<BR>
with high "surge" (ie they aren't merely accelerating, the acceleration<BR>
is increasing rapidly as the blow travels towards the target. This<BR>
makes inertia *help* the blow damage the opponent as the hand, foot,<BR>
elbow or whatever applies force faster than the target's flesh can<BR>
rebound from it.<BR>
<BR>
An example may help. While Aubrey Knight was in prison and pretty far<BR>
from his peak condition, a fellow inmate recognized him, and asked for<BR>
a souvenir. Aubrey tore a page from a magazine tossed it into the air<BR>
and nade a two finger strike on it. He put two holes in the page, in<BR>
mid-air withut significantly affecting the paper's course thru the air.<BR>
<BR>
That requires both huge amounts of acceleration as his fingers approach<BR>
the paper, it requires pulling back at much the same acceleration<BR>
(which is why the paper doesn't displace much. The air resistance is<BR>
too great and the force of too short a duration.)<BR>
<BR>
Basicly, if you are up against an "average" null boxer, you'd better<BR>
be a *master* at a more normal martial art, or you'd better be well<BR>
armed and armored. <BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 05:33:30 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various)<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> BTW, I only skimmed the thread on Zhodani and Vilani races, but it<BR>
>>occurs to me that just about every pic I've seen of either of these<BR>
>>groups portrays a white person.  Did they have suns with lower UV<BR>
>>or something? Or do we just have to accept that it's a<BR>
>>marketing/artist's bias kinda thing?  Actually, the latter seems like<BR>
>>the necessary explanation, as most Solomani are portrayed as white<BR>
>>also...<BR>
><BR>
> Sci-fi is, as a general rule, awfully white. Roleplaying is, as a general<BR>
> rule, awfully white. The vast majority of drawings in roleplaying materials<BR>
> are, as a general rule, awfully white.<BR>
<BR>
If you ever run into Steven Barnes at an SF con, ask him about the<BR>
cover for the first edition of "Streetlethal". The protagonist is<BR>
*very* Black[1]. This is made *quite* clear in the book.<BR>
<BR>
On the cover he's white. The publishers explained that they had<BR>
figuresthat "proved" it wouldn't sell as well with a black on the<BR>
cover. <BR>
<BR>
The book did well, and in succeeding books in the series, Barnes got to<BR>
have Aubrey knisht shown on the cover, as a *black* man (well, more<BR>
dark brown, but...)<BR>
<BR>
BTW, *Barnes* is black...<BR>
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*spoiler warning*.....<BR>
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[1] In the most recent book "Firedance" (a few years old now), we find<BR>
out that "Aubrey Knight" is actually a "pureblood" *native* African.<BR>
Which makes it quite likely that he's even *darker* than the way he's<BR>
drawn on the cover.<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:15:16 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Evil Referees<BR>
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Peter Newman <pnewman@gci.net> wrote:<BR>
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>Note for evil referee's:<BR>
>[Evil referee's isn't that like jumbo shrimp, or military <BR>
>intelligence.]<BR>
<BR>
I think you're confusing tautology with oxymoron.<BR>
<BR>
:-)<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:43:32 -0800<BR>
From: "Mike Linsenmayer" <mlinsenmayer@symantec.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various) now race war flame<BR>
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>> Or do we just have to accept that it's a marketing/artist's bias kinda<BR>
>> thing?  Actually, the latter seems like the necessary explanation, as<BR>
>> most Solomani are portrayed as white also...<BR>
<BR>
>Well, this is *Traveller*, and you're on the TML, so there's only one real<BR>
>answer: white people have an evolutionary advantage, and other races just<BR>
>*naturally* became extinct.  What else explains it?<BR>
<BR>
>Kenji<BR>
<BR>
>Wondering if a race war on the TML would be more interesting than a guns &<BR>
>Yanks flamewar.<BR>
<BR>
Yes I think that last paragraph will get a nice big hot one roaring away.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 15:42:36 +0000<BR>
From: "Carlos Alos-Ferrer" <carlos.alos-ferrer@univie.ac.at><BR>
Subject: Re: In Jokes<BR>
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> > (several exchanges later, Sid's Vargr kicks the marine to death, while<BR>
<BR>
Hmmmm... correct me if I am wrong here, but I have always thought <BR>
Vargr physiology makes their kicks pretty ineffective, right? I seem <BR>
to remember the rule of thumb... "Vargr can't kick." <shrug>.<BR>
Carlos<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:54:54 -0800<BR>
From: "Mike Linsenmayer" <mlinsenmayer@symantec.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various) now race war flame<BR>
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Subject:  Re: Terra and the US in IY 1110 (was various) now race war flame<BR>
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>> Or do we just have to accept that it's a marketing/artist's bias kinda<BR>
>> thing?  Actually, the latter seems like the necessary explanation, as<BR>
>> most Solomani are portrayed as white also...<BR>
<BR>
Actually I think the Indians the Chinese, If they can get their economies in<BR>
better shape will rule space, just becouse of shear numbers.<BR>
<BR>
We may actually build a state of the art cool nifty base on the moon with<BR>
artifical gravity etc. but they will just throw up 10 lower tech ones with 20x<BR>
as many people. So what if their bases are buried instead of having nifty domes<BR>
and they have to bounce around instead have having nifty artifical gravity they<BR>
still out number the "U.S./European" bases 20 to 1<BR>
<BR>
On another thought, I remember reading an old Traveller Magazine with, of course<BR>
a "space adventure" inside, but the characters portraits were Black, Asian and<BR>
Alien (Vargr). But I agree, the view is to highly artist centric.<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 14:47:33 -0000<BR>
From: "Trevor, Peter" <Peter.Trevor@rb.cwplc.com><BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
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Chris Seamans wrote:<BR>
> Yeah, I'm an American, I eat fire for *breakfast*!<BR>
<BR>
I eat cereal ... its healthier.<BR>
<BR>
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> > Location shots when not by that rock  in  California:  X-Files  is<BR>
> > shot mainly in Canada,<BR>
><BR>
> Yeah, but Chris Carter wanted to move the show to California to be<BR>
> closer to his love interest.<BR>
<BR>
I thought it was David Duckovn ... Duch ... what the hell kind of<BR>
name is that anyway?  Anyway, I thought it was DD who  wanted  to<BR>
be in California.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > James  Bond  film "Licence Revoked" was renamed "Licence To<BR>
> > Kill" cos most Americans asked don't know what 'revoked' means,<BR>
><BR>
> Nah, that's because most people would think it was a *driving*<BR>
> movie! Besides, we in America are *all about* killing. We all<BR>
> carry our licenses to kill in our wallets, for crying out loud!<BR>
> 007 is much cooler when he's killing people than when he's<BR>
> driving without a license.<BR>
<BR>
Actually it *was* a driving movie.  He's lost his driving licence<BR>
cos he  drove  a  sports car / russian tank / fire engine / front<BR>
half of a car / whatever ... recklessly while under the influence<BR>
of an undisclosed number of vodka martinis.  And he wasn't really<BR>
a spy but an unemployed auto-worker from Dagenham  ...  all  that<BR>
spy stuff was just  an  alcohol-induced  hulucination  (obveously<BR>
getting to shag all  those  women  was  just  a  wish-fulfillment<BR>
fantasy)!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > "The Madness Of King George III" was renamed "The Madness Of<BR>
> > King George" cos  most  Americans asked said they wouldn't see it<BR>
> > before seeing the first two  films<BR>
><BR>
> That's not actually *true*... is it?<BR>
<BR>
Could have been an urban myth ... press  accuracy  isn't  exactly<BR>
good at the best of times.  (Which doesn't help the situation.)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> > ... I could go on.<BR>
><BR>
> Yeah, and so could I... and that's scary. Let's just call it a<BR>
> draw, shall we?<BR>
<BR>
Okay, just to be fair ... one of my Trav players won 1st place in<BR>
the UK M:TG championship and a free ride to the  US  championship<BR>
in Seattle (a few years ago).  Mere days before he left he looked<BR>
in his atlas and was stunned when he saw where Seattle was ... he<BR>
thought it was near New York.<BR>
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> > (Appologies if anyone offended, was ment in jest.)<BR>
><BR>
> Yeah, you say that now. My apologies, I just got back from<BR>
> Christmas shopping and I lugged around an obscenely expensive<BR>
> big hunk of stone in the shape of an angel (a perfect near-c<BR>
> rock candidate) for hours. I'm surly and sore.<BR>
<BR>
Ah, the spirit of Christmas ... where all good folk  go  out  and<BR>
support their local retailer.  To complete  the  ritual:  on  the<BR>
25th you over-eat rich food, over-drink, projectile vomit on  the<BR>
cat (if you don't own a cat borrow a neighbour's), and  pass  out<BR>
in front of the TV (which will be showing the ever  festive  "The<BR>
Great Escape").<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Regards PLST<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 08:03:04 -0700 (MST)<BR>
From: Bruce Johnson <johnson@Pharmacy.Arizona.EDU><BR>
Subject: Re: Re USMC<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, William F. Hostman wrote:<BR>
> The Air-Force split was even<BR>
> wierder... the US Army had an Air Corps... the Air Force took most of the<BR>
> AAC's people, but they merely got "all land-based fixed wing aircraft". The<BR>
> Navy did the most with Blimps and Dirigibles, and also got to keep their<BR>
> extensive air capabilities.<BR>
<BR>
Well, it was a _bit_ convoluted. The Air Force was formed primarily as a<BR>
strategic bombing force; fighters were there to protect the bombers, and<BR>
the MAC air transport wing got sort of thrown in for free. The Navy didn't<BR>
have anything that could carry a nuke in '47, so they got to keep their<BR>
carrier-based toys.<BR>
<BR>
Just to confuse matters, when helicopters became operational tactical<BR>
units they stayed in the Army, as the Cavalry...<BR>
<BR>
The interservice fights are still going on. The Air Force wanted to drop<BR>
the A-10 a while back ('Ground support? what do _we_ need ground support<BR>
for?') and the Army went ballistic and was angling to take over those<BR>
aircraft and their mission.<BR>
<BR>
The Air Force backpedaled and retained the A-10 for the time being, just<BR>
to retain that 'land-based fixed wing aircraft' designation, even though,<BR>
truthfully, the A-10 is a far better fit with the Army Air Cav, as close<BR>
ground support.<BR>
<BR>
The Marines, of course, go their own way and have their own aircraft and<BR>
helo's.<BR>
<BR>
This is simpler in the OTU, of course, since the Navy Rules All. BUt does<BR>
each branch have it's own aerospace components?<BR>
<BR>
Bruce Johnson<BR>
University of Arizona<BR>
College of Pharmacy<BR>
Information Technology Group<BR>
<BR>
Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:16:16 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: technology advances<BR>
<BR>
Nahh he just wants to show them the Captain's "Log".<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
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 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
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___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: "Moody, Danny M." <DMoody@bridge.com><BR>
> <CaptKirk><BR>
> We must seekout...and meet...new alien babes...<BR>
> To...get to...know them...<BR>
> </CaptKirk><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:17:43 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: ..and it comes with a fresher!  (OT)<BR>
<BR>
Sigh, I'd love to take you up on that but I am on the EVIL East Coast.<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:40 AM<BR>
Subject: ..and it comes with a fresher! (OT)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> For the Bay Area people:<BR>
><BR>
> Our two roommates have just announced that they are moving to LA to pursue<BR>
> a career in art films.  Look for them on a median strip near you soon.<BR>
><BR>
> What this means for us is that we will have two rooms open for rent on<BR>
> April 1st.  Rent and Utilities are about $500.  For that you get the top<BR>
> floor of this building, all electric kitchen, skylights, close to Muni,<BR>
> yadda, yadda, yadda.<BR>
><BR>
> No smoking, No drugs, Booze allowed, but if you pass out Kirsten and I<BR>
have<BR>
> perverse senses of humor.  No pets, alas.  Landlord is a really great guy<BR>
> named Ng (the Merciless)<BR>
><BR>
> I'm announcing here because it I figured that it would be nice to get some<BR>
> gamers under the same roof, and I know we have a few SFBA residents.<BR>
><BR>
> Contact me off-list if you'd like to come and take a look at the place.<BR>
> Where at 2062 19th Ave, #3, between Quintara and Pacheco.  Phone is (415)<BR>
> 564-2815.<BR>
> --<BR>
><BR>
> Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com<BR>
> http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 06:13:34 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Racial depictions<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
> Note for evil referee's:<BR>
> [Evil referee's isn't that like jumbo shrimp, or military <BR>
> intelligence.]<BR>
><BR>
> Don't tell the player's that most Imperials are "black".<BR>
> Make the players describe their charecters looks on<BR>
> the back of their charecter sheets. Include a line for <BR>
> skin tone. Almost all Caucasian players will play "white"<BR>
> characters. Then simply wait for players to be players and<BR>
> commit some dastardly crime. Then have the police pick<BR>
> them up in very short order thanks to the party members<BR>
> distinctive (i.e. all white) appearance...<BR>
<BR>
This also works with hair color and "type". It may just turn out that<BR>
since it doesn't really provide any disadvantage red or even *blonde*<BR>
hair could be predominant in some "races". And yes, even paired with<BR>
dark skin. <BR>
<BR>
So just picture your characters, relaxing because after finally<BR>
escaping the fiasco you describe above, they are on a planet where<BR>
everybody is "white" like them. But they haven't noticed that everyone<BR>
is a red-head. <BR>
<BR>
Or to be more subtle, have it be green eyes. One *glance* at a PC's<BR>
face and they'll know he isn't a local. <BR>
<BR>
And using hi-tech gear like chem sniffers, or low tech ones like<BR>
tracking dogs, offworlders are at a *distinct* disadvantage, because<BR>
until tjet've been eating local foods as the majority of their food<BR>
intake for a week or two, they'll *smell* very different from the<BR>
natives. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 1999 10:26:34 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
Everyone knows it was the Vargr who invented basketball.  Its the natural<BR>
offshoot from chasing rubber balls all over the place.  :)<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
 J-Man<BR>
 ICQ# 2843475<BR>
 New Hampshire - U.S.A.<BR>
 Email : j-man@iname.com<BR>
 Home Page : http://www.geocities.com/~jman037/<BR>
___________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Ian Ferguson" <ian@vax2.concordia.ca><BR>
To: <traveller@mpgn.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 5:25 PM<BR>
Subject: RE: [OT] War of 1812<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> Wayne Ewart writes:<BR>
> >Don't forget we gave you football and basketball<BR>
><BR>
> Let's not start a "who invented basketball" flamewar, OK?<BR>
><BR>
> Peez<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
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